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FAQ

Frequently Asked Questions

Whether you're an EV novice or expert, questions arise. We believe there are no stupid questions. When it comes to EVs and conversions, answering your questions can avoid mistakes like burning out a controller, or avoid hazards which can injure yourself or others. This is why we are committed to support and sharing as much knowledge as we can. Below you will find answers to many of the basics for any type of EV project. Topics are grouped by transportation type when applicable only to specific systems. If you can't find the answer you're looking for here, please send us an email so we can address your questions thoroughly. Let's start this discussion and keep it going!

The Big Picture

  • I want to build an EV! How do I start and what do I need?

The first step in your project is take an honest inventory on your desired performance and available budget. Many people start their conversion before realizing it may cost them more than buying a used production EV. Here are some simple questions to ask:

  • How far do I need to drive between charges, and how often do I need this range?
  • What vehicle do I plan to convert? How heavy is it, and how much space and payload can it provide for batteries?
  • What speed will I drive and how often will I be climbing hills?
  • How much am I willing to spend on parts and support, including motor, batteries, machining services and installation?
  • Am I a Do-It-Yourselfer, and to what degree will I need to pay for outside help?

Study the EV conversion process by Reading DIY Manuals, joining online EV forums and talking with anyone you know who has completed a similar project. Go to The Battery University and other sites to learn about types of batteries and how much energy a battery can contain. The subject is deeper than you might think :-). 

After you have a general grasp of the subject, start using your performance and budget requirements to get a picture of motor and battery combinations you could use to meet your needs. Thunderstruck Motors can be a good place to go once you have a short list of options. Use our website to help check specifications and costs for motor and battery systems we offer. 

The battery may be the most challenging part of the project. Many used battery options exist, and your research will take you down that rabbit hole! Thunderstruck Motors often has options, depending on what is in inventory. See our Batteries Page for new and used battery options.

Ironing Out Some Details

  • What size and type of battery pack will I need?

Your traction battery pack will be constructed of many single cells connected together in a way to provide the voltage and power output needed for your project. Use your starting inventory to determine power and capacity for the pack. Consider pack voltage: higher voltage means lower current and smaller wires, and it generally means higher motor RPMs. Higher voltages mean more individual cells in series - for instance, a prodution high voltage pack typically has 96 cells in series to create 400 volts. Consider "capacity" - a larger capacity battery pack allows for longer range than a similar small capacity pack. Capacity can be measured in kiloWatt Hours (kWH). Small converted cars can travel between 3 and 5 miles per kWH (level roads), depending on weight, speed and aerodynamics.

Battery cell chemistry will impact weight, power, cost and the number of cells required for a complete pack.

Motor and motor controller choice will influence your battery options, because the battery voltage and available current must match the motor/controller requirements.

  • What's the difference between connecting cells in series or parallel?

When constructing your traction pack, cells are your building blocks. Cells have a current capacity rating called Amp Hours. A 100 AH cell can provide 100 amps for an hour before being completely depleted. Cells have a maximum and minimum voltage rating. Operating outside of this range can damage the cell. 

Parallel connections are when 2 or more cell positive terminals are connected together (and the same with negative terminals). Parallel cell connections are used to increase the AH rating of a pack. For instance, two 100 AH cells connected in parallel will create an equivalent 200 AH cell - Amps add in parallel. 

Series connections are made by connecting the positive pole of one cell to the negative pole of a second cell. If two 100 AH cells are connected in series, they maintain their amp hour rating but have a higher total voltage - Volts add in series.

  • What is a Battery Management System (BMS)?

A Battery Management System (BMS) is needed for packs using lithium ion cells because they can be damaged when operated outside of a specific voltage range. Lead acid batteries are more tolerant of voltage variations, and do not need a BMS. Lithium ion packs are often used in EVs because they carry about 3x the energy per weight of a lead acid pack. A BMS performs several functions, as follows:

  • Continuously measures each cell and reports if it exceeds voltage limits
  • Monitors the active cell count and reports if cells drop out of the list
  • Monitors cell temperatures and reports if out of limits
  • Other functions are possible, including operating history and display management

Our Dilithiium BMS is a popular alternative which provides these functions - see the BMS Page for more info. 

  • How do I select my battery charger?

Your charger must match your battery voltage and chemistry. Lead acid packs can be charged to fairly standard voltages, called "nominal" - for instance, a 48v nominal pack consists of 4x12v lead acid modules. Lithium packs must be charged to specific voltages based on the cell chemistry and number of cells connected in series. Lithium packs are designed to receive a constant current to constant voltage (CCVV) charge profile so that they have a slowly decreasing charge rate near the end of the cycle. Charge controllers are are devices used to control the charge cycle so that it meets these requirements and responds to warning signals from the BMS. Our EVCC and MCU perform this function.

Chargers may plug into a standard 120 or 240 volt outlet, or may connect to special EV provision equipment like an EVSE with J1772 communication protocol. See our Charger Page for more information about available charging products.

  • How do I match my conroller to my motor?

Start by looking at our system kits pages (Sailboat, Motorcycle, AC), and you'll see that motors come with recommended controllers. When browsing motors sold separately (Motors DC and PMAC), applicable controllers are mentioned on the product page. If you are uncertain about this, then send us an email with some details about what you are considering - we will get back to you with the latest controller application and availability info.

EV Parts Descriptions

  • What is a Main Contactor?

A Main Contactor is a large electrically-activated switch (or relay) that connects the high voltage from your batteries to your controller. The controller uses a precharge circuit to charge its internal capacitors before closing the main contactor, so it is very important not to force the contactor to close just to "get it going." Doing this will skip the required prechage process. Don't make that mistake!

  • What is that pre-charge resistor and diode I see on contactor drawings?

The pre-charge resistor charges the controller capacitors slowly to prevent arcing and power surges, which can damage controllers and other components. The diode helps prevent any back EMF from reaching the controller that is caused when a contactor is opened or closed. Some controllers handle this internally.

  • Why is the voltage rating on my main contactor not the same as my battery pack or controller?

Contactors are rated for a specific Coil voltage (also called enable voltage) and their current carrying capacity.

Sevcon and Curtis AC controllers have an adjustable coil output voltage and are typically set up for 24V. In these instances, the controller is responsible for closing the contactor. Variations include the Alltrax AXE controllers, which don't have a coil output, and production EV systems like the Nissan Leaf, with contactor coils running at 12v. 

  • What is a DC-DC Converter?

These are used to step down your pack voltage down to 12 Volts in order to use a vehicles OEM lights, horn, and accessories. They typically also charge the 12v accessory battery, and have a regulated 12 Volt output. The DC-DC converter takes the place of an alternator in a  typical ICE vehicle.

  • Why do I need a controller heatsink?

Controller heatsinks are most always beneficial, but not always necessary. A cool controller will run more efficiently, and will last longer. Short bursts of power may not overheat your controller, but if you hope to have a 100 mile range, your controller most likely will get significantly hotter.

  • What is an Adapter Plate?

An adapter plate helps match an electric motor to automotive transmissions. One side of the adaptor plate bolts directly to your vehicle's transmission bell housing while the other side is bolted to the electric motor through a spacer block. If using a clutch, the motor shaft may attach to the original flywheel with an adapter flange machined for a perfect match. After correct installation, the motor and transmission are positioned exactly as the original manufactured equipment. Thunderstruck Motors can provide support for some VW installations, but numerous options can be found by running an internet search for an EV adapter plate designed for your specific vehicle model.

  • Why do I need a display?

A display is used to show the EV operator essential information for safely operating the system. Information like pack voltage and current, motor RPM and temperature, can be invaluable, and they can also enhance your enjoyment by increasing your understanding and confidence the system. When you know more about your electric system, you will be able to respond to it for increased safety and longer life. Also, understanding EV operating data can make communication with other EV enthusiasts more enjoyable and informative. See our Instrumentation Page for some display options we support.

  • How do I determine correct gear ratio for an electric motor?

Check out our Gear Ratio Calculator for a simple tool allowing you to experiment with different ratios. This can be useful when working with a chain or belt drive system like in a motorcycle or boat.

  • Do I need to program my controller?

The Curtis AC and Sevcon Gen4 kits are sold as full functioning units. We will use the infomration you provide with your order to configure your controller, and will bench test it after configuration.

If you find the need to adjust settings in your Curtis or Sevcon controller after installation, some programming tool options exist for rental or purchase - see our Programmers Page.

For all controllers, please visit the Controller Page for links to information covering each device.

  • How do I know which throttle to use?

Motor controllers can handle various throttle options. See the Throttles Page for options we offer, and specific controller or system kit pages will give options for throttles available for your controller. Different throttle types may require custom programming, so decisions about throttle should be made before ordering your system. Here are some general throttle capabilities to consider:

  • FNR (Forward Neutral Reverse) capability, typically for marine applications
  • Cable to control arm attachment for existing remote throttle installations
  • Twist-grip or thumb activated, typcially used with motorcycles or off-road vehicles
  • Foot activated throttles, typically used for 4-wheel land vehicles
  • Hall-effect (magnetic) or potentiometer (resistive "pot") type throttles

Send us an email or call us if you don't find the info you need to make your decision.

Sailboat Systems

  • Which sailboat kit is best for my sailboat?

There are many variables that affect performance while sailing with electric installations - boat displacement, current, wind, motor power and RPM, battery capacity and prop specs are all part of the equation. Start by looking through the different systems on the Sailboat Kits and Accessories Page. Each kit page provides information about how to match the kit to your boat, based mainly on displacement. 

Here are a few things to consider when planning your conversion:

  • Consider using half "hull speed" when motoring with electric. Higher speeds cut considerably into duration estimates.
  • Onboard generators can extend range by creating a "hybrid" system. This can be useful for day sailers wanting occasional extended range.
  • Consider looking through some online forums like Electric Seas.

If you need help making this decision, please don't hesitate to email us with your boat specifications and the systems you are considering. We will do our best to reply quickly with suggestions. 

  • How do you provide such a low price for your kits?

We use the same motor and controller as some of our competition. We make our own gear reduction in-house which allows us to keep costs low and quality high. Additionally, our gear reduction is optional. Most other companies include the gear reduction in the price of their kits. Also note that our kits are not a drop-in box. The customer is responsible for installation, mounting and alignment. This allows us to keep prices affordable and makes the kits more versatile for the large variety of boats out there.

  • What else do I need in addition to a sailboat kit to get me out of the docks and into the water?

We bench test the controller and harness of all the sailboat kits we sell to confirm that it's set up according to your needs. You'll need to get batteries and a charger. You will also need power cables for connecting your batteries, and some way to hold your batteries in place.

Purchasing a heatsink for the controller is a good idea, but not always necessary. A heatsink may impact how you mount your controller. Having air circulate through the engine compartment is beneficial, and may be necessary. If installing a liquid cooled system then a pump, radiator or heat exchanger will be needed.

How you mount your motor depends on whether or not you install one of our gear reductions. If you decide not to use a gear reduction, you'll need a thrust bearing in line with the prop shaft because most motors are not rated for axial/thrust loads. The gear reduction includes a thrust bearing, and comes with a coupler for connecting to your prop shaft.

When ordering your kit, you will be asked for information about your boat, battery pack and throttle choice. Please email us with your boat information if you need verification before ordering. 

Working with Thunderstruck Motors

  • Why should I buy from Thunderstruck Motors?

Find out why Here!

  • What if I lose the manual to one of my components?

We keep our Manuals and Data Sheets up to date so you can refer back to them when you need them.

  • Can I return something I purchase if I don't like it?

We want you to be satisfied with your purchase and most items are returnable.  For quality and safety reasons, some items such as batteries are not returnable.  See our Return Policy for more information.

  • Help! I don't understand electrical theory!

Check out Battery Univeristy or our Understanding EVs See diyelectriccar for others who may have converted your same vehicle? You may also find this FAQ by Plugin America or The Endless Sphere forum helpful. Check them out!

  • I want to see more photos and videos of all of the great things you guys are doing!

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Comments

hola me interesa armar un proyecto pero quiero comprar las cosas de apoco primero el motor Motenergy ME1002
CODE: ME1002 quisiera saber cuanto me sale el envio a Uruguay Montevideo , para tener una nocion de precios

Hola , necesitamos su código postal para estimar el costo de envío . Por favor, envíenos un email a connect@thunderstruck-ev.com
I have 30'000 lb sailboat it had a 50hp Perkins can you fix me up with a sailboat kit?

Yes, we have supplied kits for boats that large. Please email us directly so we can equip you with the proper system at connect@thunderstruck-ev.com
Hello, Sir!

Do you accept international shipping ? (destination - Russian Federation). As i can see there are wrong prices on website. And what method for delivery will you use? And how custom declaration will be filling?

Yes, we do ship FedEx International. You may order on our website and we will contact you directly with a shipping estimate- the online shipping calculator is not accurate for international shipping.
I am going to make my sailboat use electrical motor instead of a Volvo Penta MD2020 Diesel. I am living in Norway. Do you send the sailboats kit to Norway ?

Yes we do ship internationally!
Do you have a sailbot kit in the 18-20 kw range?
Yes, we have a variety of options in the AC drive systems. See our liquid cooled stainless steel motors for the most marine ready package:
http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/acm-3x-oil-cooled.html
I have two 9.9 high thrust outboards do you have something that could be raise and lower or sail drive type replace these with?

We can offer a motor system but this is a more rare type of application for us, so the mounting structure would be up to you, unless you're near Santa Rosa!-TSM
How well would the V4 kit work, if I used it on my mountain bike to pull a single wheeled cargo trailer which contained 50 pounds, uphill (occasionally 10% grade),on a rough hiking trail? How many miles or hours?
Hey Ken! I don't recommend hub motors for those parameters (slow speed, off-road, uphill, with added weight) as they can have low starting torque because of their design. But to answer your question, the run time is dictated by the size of the battery pack, and the load on it. The battery is not included in the kit. -TSM
Can you help me or direct me where to go to get help. I'm a coda owner. The car has been getting progressively less range, though all indicators seem to be functioning properly, except possibly the low range signal. Last night I got stuck 2 miles from home, at 69.1 miles traveled, even with it still showing 29% available. Only 25 months & 21,000 miles. Any suggestions? I'm in Hollister, CA, far away from Santa Rosa. Thanks-Jerry.
Hey Jerry, sorry that you're having problems. I assume that just before the car stopped it showed the lightning bolt and had less power? I would try shallow cycles (5-10 miles) and recharging each time to try to top balance the pack. Next we should check fault codes in the car. Email us for more information.
-Michael
What motor would you recommend to convert a Boom trike to EV? I was looking at the Mustang Family as the available space can take more battery packs.
That looks like a good candidate for the AC-35 family of motors. What is your budget?
dear
CAn I use a pot 0- 2k ohms on a controller gen 4 size 2

tanks in advance
Best regard
Leonardo

Yes you can, although the controller will have to be programmed to function with that input.
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